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600+ people pack Greenwood arson meeting

November 10th, 2009 · Comments

It was more than a packed house tonight at Phinney Ridge Lutheran Church as fire, police and city officials tried to assure a panicked neighborhood that they were doing everything they could to catch an arsonist or arsonists who could be responsible for 13 arsons in Greenwood since June, plus another in Lake City that could be connected.

The photo below was taken 20 minutes before the meeting even started. Five minutes later it was standing room only. And as the meeting started, fire officials announced they’d closed the room because it was over capacity with about 400 people. Seattle City Councilmember Jean Godden walked in a few minutes later, announcing that several hundred people were upstairs in the sanctuary, and hoped fire and police officials would hold a second meeting for them, which they did after the meeting downstairs ended.

Two sign language interpreters took turns signing for attendees who are hard of hearing.

“The last time we saw a community meeting of this size was in South Park, after the South Park murder,” SPD Public Information Officer Sean Whitcomb told me after the meeting. “This is a big deal.”

SFD Asst Chief A.D. Vickery, a Greenwood resident for 35 years, began the packed meeting by saying, “Wow, this is incredible. This is a neighborhood.”

Asst. Chief John Nelsen, Fire Marshal, added to laughter from the audience, “We are over capacity. We do have folks posted at the exit doors.” Then he gave a general safety overview in case we needed to exit the building due to a fire. Seriously.

Mayor-elect Mike McGinn, a Greenwood resident, got a loud round of applause, as did Seattle City Councilmember Nick Licata, and State Rep. Mary Lou Dickerson, also neighborhood residents. Actually, every official introduced received a round of applause, and the audience was very respectful throughout the meeting.

The number of arsons is up from the 10 previously thought. Here’s a list of the arsons by date, with the time and address. There are actually 14 listed; Seattle Fire Department included one from Lake City that happened three days after the devastating downtown Greenwood fire that destroyed four businesses and seriously damaged others:

  • June 19 - 10 p.m., 8733 Greewood Ave. N. (OK Corral restaurant)
  • July 19 – 10:57 p.m., 737 N. 80th St.
  • August 12 – 1:33 p.m., 7708 Greenwood Ave. N. (house behind building housing Moon Photo)
  • August 13 – 4:31 p.m., 108 NW 84th St. (house fire, one man severely burned)
  • August 13 – 3:21 a.m., 1111 N. 98th St. (small office building with apartments above)
  • October 23 – 4:04 a.m., 208 N. 85th St. (Green Bean Coffeehouse, Pho Tic Tac, Szechuan Bistro, C.C. Teriyaki, Taproot Theatre)
  • October 26 – 12:31 a.m., NE 145th St./17th Ave. NE (fire set in dumpster)
  • November 1 – 1:43 a.m., 2125 N. 90th St.
  • November 2 – 11:28 p.m., 13437 Greenwood Ave. N. (apartments)
  • November 5 -  3:42 a.m., 338 NW 85th St. (CPA Seattle)
  • November 5 – 4:10 a.m., 8400 Greenwood Ave. N. (Rosewood Guitar)
  • November 8 – 10:53 p.m., 7704 Greenwood Ave. N. (Moon Photo)
  • November 9 – 3:50 a.m., 8516 Greenwood Ave. N. (Olive You)
  • November 9 – 7:40 a.m., 8102 Greenwood Ave. N. (Greenwood Quickstop)

Seattle Fire Department and Seattle Police Department do not know if all 14 are connected. And they didn’t want to give away too much information that might compromise their investigation, such as whether or not accellerants were used. It is a joint investigation between SPD and SFD. Helen Fitzpatrick, Public Information Officer for SFD, explained to me after the meeting that the Fire Department handles the cause and origin of a fire, then SPD handles the criminal investigation.

“Seattle Police is taking this very seriously,” Paul McDonagh, Asst. Chief for SPD, Special Operations Bureau, said. “It is a priority for us. You need to know that we have both visible and invisible patrols in this area.”

In fact, Greenwood resident Matt Heilgeist told me after the meeting that he was walking around the neighborhood at 4 a.m. this morning looking for anyone suspicious. He called in several suspicious-looking groups of people, but then was told by a dispatcher they were actually undercover officers on arson patrol.

Vickery stressed that the two departments were working closely and as hard as they can to find the arsonist(s). “There’s an incredible partnership here between safety and law enforcement,” he said. “Not only have we lost property here in Greenwood, but this has put lives at risk and your firefighters’ lives at risk.”

The problem with solving arsons is that evidence is usually burned up in the fire. Local authorities have asked for assistance from the feds, the ATF – Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. And now if someone calls 911 and says they smell smoke, they’re sending two fire engines right away. Officials said when in doubt about whether to call 911 about something suspicious, they want you to err on the side of over-reporting. They’d rather it turned out to be nothing, than to get there too late.

Asst. Chief McDonagh said the most important thing in catching the arsonist(s) is for the community to be vigilant.

“The one thing that you can do right now… if you see something, say something. Call 911; get us the information. We can’t assist you if you don’t let us know what’s going on in your community. We can’t be everywhere, but you can.”

Authorities are working on a new website devoted exclusively to the Greenwood arsons. It is posted prominently near the bottom of SPD’s home page. Click it and you’ll get an SPD Blotter page devoted to the Greenwood arsons. There are only a few things on it now, but it should be more fully populated by Thursday.

Most of the arsons have been what authorities call “crimes of opportunity.” The arsonist(s) uses whatever combustible material they can find, but not necessarily what’s lying nearby. Discovered at one of the fires was material from a mile away (they didn’t specify what that material was).

To combat that, one business owner says she and her employees are wetting down paper as they put it in their recycle bin.

A number of business owners had mentioned in media reports that they would start spending the night in their business. Fire officials were wary of that.

“Generally at 4 o’clock in the morning, we’re going to consider a restaurant unoccupied,” Fire Marshal Nelsen explained. “But that would change things if someone may be there, especially if you’re asleep. People don’t usually die from fires, they die from smoke. If they’re sleeping, they’re really at risk.”

A representative from the mayor’s office was on hand to talk about Seattle Public Utilities’ efforts. If you see an overfull dumpster, call SPU and they’ll empty it. You can also call SPU’s main customer service number – 206-684-CITY – if a street light is out. Note the number on the pole before you call, so the city can track it more quickly.

A woman in the audience asked about citizen patrols at night, and one man said he’s started walking his dog at 3 a.m. SPD says it’s a good idea, but don’t make contact with a suspect, call 911. “If you see something out there, you’re going to get a response.”

Asst. Chief Vickery stressed that while officials are doing all they can, it’s ultimately up to the community to help each other. If you see your neighbor’s recycle bin is overflowing, offer to put some in your bin. If you see combustible materials lying around your elderly neighbor’s house, offer to clean it up.

“I think we have an obligation to help each other,” Vickery said. “It’s much easier for me to help the elderly woman two houses down than to make a phone call and hope somebody else helps her.”

Every media outlet in town was there. KING 5 filed this report for their 10 p.m. news. This is KOMO’s report from 11 p.m. Here’s the Seattle Times’ story, with a good photo of the crowd. The Seattle P.I. has audio clips from police and fire officials, and a great photo showing a huge crowd raising their hands when fire officials asked how many people had recently checked their smoke alarms. Ballard News Tribune’s story is here. And here’s Q13′s story. And frequent tipster/scanner hound Silver has a bunch of great photos here.

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Comments

  1. Silver says:

    I want to post my impressions of the meeting before I read Doree’s article above. Please keep in mind that I am not a journalist! ;-)

    I had an idea, based on the buzz in the forums on Phinneywood.com, that the meeting would be crowded, so I showed up straight from work and got a parking spot near the church. Then I went and had hot cocoa!

    By the time I got back there were already a lot of police, fire and media vehicles surrounding the church. By 6:30 I had a hunch that we were going to fill up, but I thought that people would know to show up early! So many people arrived late – I’ll bet they couldn’t find parking.

    Our new Mayor showed up, of course, and so did Nick Licata and Mary Lou Dickerson. Some time later council member Jean Godden arrived and informed the presenters that “several hundred people” were upstairs, unable to get in to the (already over capacity) meeting room. It was suggested that a second presentation take place upstairs in the church sanctuary after the planned meeting was over.

    What did I learn?

    The Powers That Be are okay with citizens doing their own patrols. “You are our eyes out there.” However, they don’t want us approaching suspicious characters ourselves. “That’s our job.”

    When asked about whether or not accelerants had been used in the arsons, the fire department spokesman said that “combustible materials at hand” had been used. Hence the focus on cleaning up anything burnable from around businesses and homes.

    It sounds like police and fire have been canvassing businesses in the area, finding out who has surveillance equipment already in place. They will use whatever technological resources they can to catch the arsonist.

    I’m sure I will remember more details. It was great to see so many people who care so much about keeping Greenwood safe. It was also fun to meet R. and to finally meet Doree!

    As far as meetings go, this was a good one. I’m glad I went.

  2. SunsetSu says:

    Good report, Silver. I was also impressed with the large turnout, how determined the authorities were to catch the arsonist, and how respectful the crowd was. I saw many people thanking the cops and fire-fighters for their work.

    Fire Marshall John Neilsen had a tough time dealing with the question of whether business owners should stay in their shops overnight to ward off arsonist. He said, “I understand you want to protect your business. I really do understand that. And I’m not going to tell you that you shouldn’t do that. But there are certain risks.”

    He was concerned about danger to a person falling asleep in a burning commercial building lacking smoke detectors or proper fire exits.

    The other problem is that the firefighters usually assume that commercial buildings are empty in the middle of the night. That assumption can influence important decisions – like whether to risk a firefighter’s life. If the fire is very intense, and the building is empty, it could be safer to let the building burn rather than to risk a firefighter’s life by sending him in.

    On the other hand, if a lot of storekeepers start
    spending the night inside their shops, the fire–
    fighters might have to assume that an empty shop DOES have a person inside. Nobody wants a repeat of the terrible 1995 tragedy when four firefighters lost their lives going into the Mary Pang warehouse. They mistakenly believed somebody was inside.

    It’s a dilemma. Should business owners who spend the night in their shops let the Greenwood
    firefighters know when they do so?

    That raises an important question -

  3. Steve says:

    Doree,
    We weren’t able to make it to the meeting, so this article is really, really helpful! Thanks for all the detail. It’s good to see the neighborhood rallying together on this.

    When this is all behind us, you guys should submit the coverage for some of the journalism awards given out by the professional associations. Yours is by far the best coverage and most helpful information we’ve got.

    Cheers,
    Steve

  4. Emc says:

    I just posted this on the Seattle Times, but will post here – pulling together a few of my posts. I hope it is informative so I can sleep a little more easy knowing I have passed it along, and hopefully everyone else can too, once this is all resolved. Spoke with a detective today just to pass along the info.

    If there was a convicted serial arsonist living in your neighborhood would you want to know? That’s a question Greenwood residents should be asking themselves. There has recently been a congressional push, but nothing exists at this time yet in Washington.

    So, as it is, the 2004 serial arsonist of about 14 fires in Greenwood and one or two in British Columbia (in all totaling over $10 million in damages, I believe), has been living back in the Greenwood area / Broadview area the last few years. This does NOT mean he is guilty of the current fires, but he makes for a prime suspect.

    This person suffers from schizoid affective disorder (think Donnie Darko and others who are pyromaniacally inclined). Some links to the 2004 case are provided below. He may have fell through the cracks due to his mental condition (he was held in a facility in BC)—and again, he may be innocent of the current fires, but he does in fact walk among us again, and in the area where all this is happening and happened before (when he was indeed the perpetrator—though the articles cited don’t cite the convictions).

    There is no “arsonist registry” in WA, so people will continue to be oblivious once these people are released (after very meager sentencing for non-fatal arsons). Just thought you all should know…

    http://www.seattlepi.com/paynter/190150_paynter10.html
    http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4132891.html
    http://www.komonews.com/news/archive/4132706.html
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002026160_arson04m.html
    http://www.komonews.com/internal?st=print&id=4132641&path=/news/archive
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040904&slug=arson04m
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20041126&slug=arsonupdate26m
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20040903&slug=arson03m
    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2002024886_arson03m.html

    All in the family? – A 1986 Ballard arson / 1990 conviction – same last name and age as the 2004 arsonist. However, there may be no connection – came across this and thought it was interesting:
    http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19900309&slug=1060096
    http://www.seattlepi.com/local/193451_arson02.html

  5. MadChops says:

    I was encouraged to see the large turnout; it shows that people in Greenwood really care about their neighbors and their community. However, I was disappointed with most of the questions. There seemed to be a prevalence of “What can the government do…” and “When’s the government gonna…” attitude. I mean, is whether or not there’s trash pickup on the holiday really important to the issue at hand? Or that Seattle City Light didn’t replace your streetlight the same day you called?

    While I feel it’s important to hold your fire and police services accountable, it’s also ridiculous to expect them to be everywhere and do everything. We, the citizens, have many more eyes and able bodies than our government does, and if we’ll turn off our TVs and get off our butts, we can help the police and firefighters keep this community safe.

    Ask not what Greenwood can do for you, ask what you can do for Greenwood.

  6. EG says:

    I was driving back and forth last night to try to contribute; after a conversation with local pd patrolling I realized I was compromising their investigation. Any attention placed on a concerned neighbor should be focused instead on the investigation. Let’s let the pros do their job, keep an eye out, but not be vigilante, like I was trying to be!

  7. joe says:

    McGinn did get a good round of applause, due to his name recognition. The other politicians at the meeting actually received no more than a smattering of applause.

  8. joe says:

    BTW, some of the pictures shown here give a false impression of the turnout. The picture with empty chairs was obviously taken around 6:30 before most of the crowd arrived. Not long after that the room was overflowing. By the time the event began at 7:00 at least one to two hundred more were upstairs and could not get in the main meeting room.

  9. R says:

    Estimated attendance: 700.
    Thanks to everyone for attending and keeping your comments/questions relevant, useful, and short to accommodate 2 meetings back-to-back.
    Thanks also for your patience regarding the last minute nature of the venue change, which may have caused many to arrive ‘late’.

    A quick-reference phone list would be useful, especially for those of us without internet. Here is a rough draft…
    – 911 — Call in emergency / for quickest response.
    – 1-800-552-7766 (55-ARSON) — Call with non-emergency arson tips.
    – 1-800-222-8477 (TIPS) — Call with anonymous non-emergency tips.
    – 1-206-625-5011 — Call with non-emergency (Seattle Police).
    – 1-206-684-0794 — Call with non-emergency (Seattle Police N. Precinct).
    – 1-206-386-1450 — Call with TBD (Seattle Fire Department).
    – 1-206-684-2489 (CITY) — Call with TBD.

    P.S. Let’s keep in mind our non-internet neighbors. Is there a place that people can find (printed) everything that they need to know on these current events? The Greenwood Community Center has very limited hours but would be one idea. The Greenwood library would be another.

  10. greenwood-fan says:

    Doree, thank you for the coverage, I was not able to make the meeting last night. I’m so pleased to see our neighborhood working together to do what we can to stop this mess.

    Thanks again for your thorough reporting.

    R – thank you for the consolidated list of numbers. Printed it out and have it on the fridge.

    See some of you at the upcoming GAIN walks.

  11. Marianne says:

    I agree, Doree and team should be up for an award. She actually fact checks KING 5 when they are wrong and corrects them. This is an awesome journalism effort. It has helped me stay calm and informed!!

  12. petsfriend says:

    It’s great that people came out, but it’s a shame they only come out when they feel personally threatened. We’d never get those numbers for doing something pro-active. And that is one of the big problems with human nature. We act best out of fear.

  13. R says:

    Dear Moderator,
    Please consider creating a post, if possible, and as suggested by
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/10/greenwood-arson-meeting-already-packed/#comment-10767),
    Which lists ONLY the suspicious sightings, for example…

    – 9 November 2009: “mid to late 90’s black Mercedes”
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/09/yet-another-fire-in-central-greenwood/#comment-10559)

  14. Silver says:

    Questions about trash pickup are relevant when an arsonist is using trash to start fires. If it’s not going to be picked up, some people may wish to keep their trash locked up in their garage.

    Street lights that haven’t been replaced are relevant because dark areas are more attractive to arsonists and other criminals.

    These questions didn’t seem odd to me at all.

  15. Silver says:

    Petsfriend – I was at the meeting, and I live in Ballard and work on Capitol Hill. I do not feel personally threatened by the Greenwood arsonist, but I do want to be informed so that I know how to support my neighbors to the northeast.

    Greenwood is an awesome neighborhood. The Green Bean is one of the signs of how proactive your neighbors actually are. In fact, I would venture to say that Greenwood is one of the more proactive neighborhoods in the city!

    Let’s focus on, and reward people for, the good work that they do. A little praise goes a long way, and it costs you nothing.

  16. PhinneyBusiness says:

    The turnout was great but due to the size of the crowd the real reason many of us were there was lost. There was no real rallying of the forces. We had a huge turn out from the neighborhood and leveraging that turnout should have been a top priority. We have all been asking for an increased police presence we have it now. The way we solve the problem of crime in our neighborhood is to go outside. Even if you just sat on your porch for 30 mins at 2, 3, or 4 am it would help. We cannot surrender our neighborhood. We need to organize.

  17. Tahomajim says:

    Not mentioned here there is a real possibility the arsonist himself, or herself, was in the audience. I wanted to add that.
    I work on Phinney Ridge and the thought of burning down Greenwood makes me sick. Such a waste….I’m out of town and could not attend even though I was asked to attend.
    One more conspicous omission. Everybody, let’s thank Phinney Ridge Lutheran Church for opening it’s doors so the neighborhood could hold this important public meeting.

  18. tw78 says:

    wow – I just watched the King 5 report on the meeting/fires – what did not come up at the meeting but is mentioned in the report was that the owner of Olive You received a threatening phone call after the attack on his restaurant. That takes this whole thing to a new level of creepy. I wonder if other victims have been similarly called. Horrid!

  19. Notsure says:

    The troubling thing is that five businesses attacked
    were minority-owned. I hope that this is just coincidence of these horrible crimes, rather than
    targeted. Troubling….

  20. nettieboop says:

    I’m guessing that the dumpster fire that occured on August 7 behind Zesto’s in Ballard (that was caught on camera!) was unrelated? When did that one get ruled out?

    http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/09/09/ballard-restaurant-arsonist-caught-on-camera/

  21. Mandy says:

    I was wondering if the SPD and SFD consider the dumpster fire behind the Subway on the corner of 105th & Greenwood in early June 2009 (I think it was 6/19/09 the day before the OK Corral) and the house fire on the corner of 104th and Greenwood (same night as the OK Corral BBQ 6/19/09) part of the arson investigation.

  22. Mandy says:

    Sorry, 6/18/09 on the Subway dumpster fire.

  23. Jen says:

    Is it really okay (from a recycling standpoint) to put wet paper and cardboard in the recycling bin? I’ve always thought that would lead to ruining the paper in the bin, and possibly any it comes in contact with. Does anyone know for sure?

  24. Ghoul says:

    its probably somebody who took the band name,

    “Arsonists get all the girls”
    to heart.

  25. acc10x says:

    Can’t believe the arsonist left a message for the owner of Olive You — assuming it was him/her/them. You’d think that would give investigators a nice lead.

  26. Andi says:

    Can’t be sure the arsonist called the owner of Olive you – it could have been a prank call too, you know.

    Thanks to ALL of you who crammed into that meeting. I know much of it was “keep your eyes open” but having contacts show up, getting advice about sleeping in your business, patrolling, streetlights, recycling – i found it useful. We were not going to be given inside info, that’s for sure, and even if we were, what good would it do?
    Folks also have to realize that despite this horror and its high priority for law enforcement, we are still a city that doesn’t have MONEY to spend because of hard times, so not getting a fast response from a city department, well, there ARE things I want done too but come on, these folks are taking furloughs and stuff because there’s no money.
    And yes so the arsonist might have been there – SFD and SPD said they knew that. And? this was a public meeting – there are no secrets.
    Again, kudos to all who squeezed in and thanks to those who reported for the rest of us. (yes I was there! 600 people. Crazy, no?)

  27. Whopper says:

    What did Licata offer to do, investigate the police? He’s part of the reason Seattle is being over run by bums and thieves.

  28. Bobbie Louie says:

    Along with the arsons and spray painting, someone has recently damaged windows along Greenwood Avenue and Phinney Avenue. Almost every storefront business has some indecipherable scrawl scratched into the glass. I am sure the window replacement is very expensive. Why do we have to put up with this bunch of irresponsible taggers and their equally inept Phinneywood parents? You have raised children that have no respect for others.

  29. R says:

    (I don’t know if these from today should be included:
    11-11-2009 1:34:40 PM – NE 117th Street / Roosevelt Way NE – Brush Fire.
    11-11-2009 2:59:27 PM – West Green Lake Dr N / Stone Av N – Bark Fire.

    Please advise.)

    Here is an attempt to summarize the region’s 2009 fires…
    Suspected arsons (possibly all by one individual)…
    —- ) June 19, 2009 ~22:00 – 8733 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Former site of the OK Corral BBQ – Arson.
    —- ) July 19, 2009 ~22:57 – 737 N. 80th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 12, 2009 ~13:33 – 7708 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~03:21 – 1111 N. 98th Street – Offices – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~16:31 – 108 NW 84th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 ~04:04 – 210 N 85th Street – Green Bean (Spreading to PhoTicTac-SzechuanBistro-CCTeriyaki-TaprootTheatre) – Arson.
    —- ) October 26, 2009 ~12:31 – TBD (NE 145th Street/17th Ave. NE) – TBD (dumpster) – Arson.
    —- ) November 1, 2009 ~01:43 – 2125 N. 90th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 ~11:28 – 13437 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~03:42 – 338 NW 85th Street – CPA – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~04:10 – 8402 _ Greenwood Ave. N – RosewoodGuitar – Arson.
    —- ) November 8, 2009 ~22:53 – 7704 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Moonphoto – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~03:50 – 8516 _ Greenwood Ave N – OliveYou – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~07:40 – 8102 _ Greenwood Ave N – QuickStop – Arson.
    More which may fit the 2009 arson pattern…
    —- ) June 18, 20009 ~22:00 – 10400 _ Greenwood Ave N – Subway (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) June 19, 20009 ~23:00 – 10322 _ Greenwood Ave N – Residence – TBD.
    —- ) September 7, 2009 ~TBD – 6416 _ 15th Ave NW – Zesto’s (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 55xx _ 15th Ave. NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 13xx NE 56th street – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 10, 2009 – 42xx _ 9th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 – 140xxx _ 37th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) November 7, 2009 – 4253 8th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    Believed to be non-arson…
    —- ) August 12, 2009 – 358 NW 85th Street – Residence – Accident.
    —- ) September 28, 2009 – 8539 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Gary’sGames – Accident.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 – 700 N 103rd Street — Residence – Accident.
    This list may be incomplete and/or out of date.
    This references list is certainly incomplete:
    REF:
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/06/19/fire-in-downtown-greenwood-put-out-quickly/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/13/house-fire-at-1st-and-nw-84th-st/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/13/small-alley-fire-at-greenwood-77th-yesterday/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/14/investigators-four-greenwood-fires-are-arson/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/19/arson-update/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/09/09/ballard-restaurant-arsonist-caught-on-camera/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/10/29/greenwood-fire-was-arson/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/03/suspicious-fire-north-of-greenwood/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/05/two-fires-this-morning-in-greenwood/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/09/yet-another-fire-in-central-greenwood/)
    (http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/176544.asp)
    (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412023_fire10.html)
    (http://www.komonews.com/news/69561502.html)
    ————————–

  30. R says:

    11-11-2009 1:34:40 PM – NE 117th Street / Roosevelt Way NE – Brush Fire.
    11-11-2009 2:59:27 PM – West Green Lake Dr N / Stone Av N – Bark Fire.
    (Should the above be included in the below?)

    Here is an attempt to summarize the region’s 2009 fires…
    Suspected arsons (possibly all by one individual)…
    —- ) June 19, 2009 ~22:00 – 8733 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Former site of the OK Corral BBQ – Arson.
    —- ) July 19, 2009 ~22:57 – 737 N. 80th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 12, 2009 ~13:33 – 7708 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~03:21 – 1111 N. 98th Street – Offices – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~16:31 – 108 NW 84th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 ~04:04 – 210 N 85th Street – Green Bean (Spreading to PhoTicTac-SzechuanBistro-CCTeriyaki-TaprootTheatre) – Arson.
    —- ) October 26, 2009 ~12:31 – TBD (NE 145th Street/17th Ave. NE) – TBD (dumpster) – Arson.
    —- ) November 1, 2009 ~01:43 – 2125 N. 90th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 ~11:28 – 13437 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~03:42 – 338 NW 85th Street – CPA – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~04:10 – 8402 _ Greenwood Ave. N – RosewoodGuitar – Arson.
    —- ) November 8, 2009 ~22:53 – 7704 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Moonphoto – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~03:50 – 8516 _ Greenwood Ave N – OliveYou – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~07:40 – 8102 _ Greenwood Ave N – QuickStop – Arson.
    More which may fit the 2009 arson pattern…
    —- ) June 18, 20009 ~22:00 – 10400 _ Greenwood Ave N – Subway (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) June 19, 20009 ~23:00 – 10322 _ Greenwood Ave N – Residence – TBD.
    —- ) September 7, 2009 ~TBD – 6416 _ 15th Ave NW – Zesto’s (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 55xx _ 15th Ave. NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 13xx NE 56th street – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 10, 2009 – 42xx _ 9th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 – 140xxx _ 37th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) November 7, 2009 – 4253 8th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    Believed to be non-arson…
    —- ) August 12, 2009 – 358 NW 85th Street – Residence – Accident.
    —- ) September 28, 2009 – 8539 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Gary’sGames – Accident.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 – 700 N 103rd Street — Residence – Accident.
    This list may be incomplete and/or out of date.
    This references list is certainly incomplete:
    REF:
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/06/19/fire-in-downtown-greenwood-put-out-quickly/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/13/house-fire-at-1st-and-nw-84th-st/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/13/small-alley-fire-at-greenwood-77th-yesterday/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/14/investigators-four-greenwood-fires-are-arson/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/08/19/arson-update/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/09/09/ballard-restaurant-arsonist-caught-on-camera/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/10/29/greenwood-fire-was-arson/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/03/suspicious-fire-north-of-greenwood/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/05/two-fires-this-morning-in-greenwood/)
    (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/11/09/yet-another-fire-in-central-greenwood/)
    (http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattle911/archives/176544.asp)
    (http://www.seattlepi.com/local/412023_fire10.html)
    (http://www.komonews.com/news/69561502.html)
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  31. R says:

    11-11-2009 1:34:40 PM – NE 117th Street / Roosevelt Way NE – Brush Fire.
    11-11-2009 2:59:27 PM – West Green Lake Dr N / Stone Av N – Bark Fire.
    (Should the above be included in the below?)
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    Here is an attempt to summarize the region’s 2009 fires…
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    Suspected arsons (possibly all by one individual)…
    —- ) June 19, 2009 ~22:00 – 8733 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Former site of the OK Corral BBQ – Arson.
    —- ) July 19, 2009 ~22:57 – 737 N. 80th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 12, 2009 ~13:33 – 7708 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~03:21 – 1111 N. 98th Street – Offices – Arson.
    —- ) August 13, 2009 ~16:31 – 108 NW 84th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 ~04:04 – 210 N 85th Street – Green Bean (Spreading to PhoTicTac-SzechuanBistro-CCTeriyaki-TaprootTheatre) – Arson.
    —- ) October 26, 2009 ~12:31 – TBD (NE 145th Street/17th Ave. NE) – TBD (dumpster) – Arson.
    —- ) November 1, 2009 ~01:43 – 2125 N. 90th Street – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 ~11:28 – 13437 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Residence – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~03:42 – 338 NW 85th Street – CPA – Arson.
    —- ) November 5, 2009 ~04:10 – 8402 _ Greenwood Ave. N – RosewoodGuitar – Arson.
    —- ) November 8, 2009 ~22:53 – 7704 _ Greenwood Ave. N. – Moonphoto – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~03:50 – 8516 _ Greenwood Ave N – OliveYou – Arson.
    —- ) November 9, 2009 ~07:40 – 8102 _ Greenwood Ave N – QuickStop – Arson.
    ————————–
    More which may fit the 2009 arson pattern…
    —- ) June 18, 20009 ~22:00 – 10400 _ Greenwood Ave N – Subway (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) June 19, 20009 ~23:00 – 10322 _ Greenwood Ave N – Residence – TBD.
    —- ) September 7, 2009 ~TBD – 6416 _ 15th Ave NW – Zesto’s (dumpster) – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 55xx _ 15th Ave. NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 3, 2009 – 13xx NE 56th street – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 10, 2009 – 42xx _ 9th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    —- ) October 19, 20009 ~21:40 – 105xx _ Aurora Ave N – (NewspaperBox) – Arson.
    —- ) October 23, 2009 – 140xx _ 37th Ave NE – Residence – TBD.
    —- ) November 7, 2009 – 4253 8th Ave NE – TBD – TBD.
    ————————–
    Believed to be non-arson…
    —- ) August 12, 2009 – 358 NW 85th Street – Residence – Accident.
    —- ) September 28, 2009 – 8539 _ Greenwood Ave. N – Gary’sGames – Accident.
    —- ) November 2, 2009 – 700 N 103rd Street — Residence – Accident.
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  32. Ghoul says:

    @28

    “You have raised children that have no respect for others.”

    way to blame everybody on this site for the decline of greenwood and bad parenting!

    finally somebody with the IQ and bravery to call it like it is!

    its not like anybody on this site gives a crap about their neighborhood… or kids.

    we ALL know people on neighborhood blogs rarely care about whats going on.

    c:\end sarcasm.exe

  33. Tahomajim says:

    Whopper, you’re right on about Nick Licata.
    He’s a has been politician and we’re stuck with him for another four years.
    Seattle voters messed up by re-electing him… term limits, term limits … people.

  34. Bobbie Louie says:

    Did 600 people turn out when a man was beaten within an inch of his life on Greenwood Ave? And the vandals are bused-in from Tacoma every night.

  35. Iron City Mike says:

    No, but they did not turn out for the first fire, either. I took 14. If people were beaten night after night after night after night, I’m sure you would have seen a turnout for that.

  36. allison says:

    Ah, another night of good steady rain. Maybe that means another arson-free sleep-filled night. Fingers crossed.

    I gotta say that the tone on our little forum on our little neighborhood blog has got a nastiness to it right now that I hope won’t last. One of the things I like about P-Wood is the positive tone, and sense of community.

  37. Brooklynn206 says:

    Does anyone know where, besides the bank, we can make donations for the fire victims? The new Eight Limbs Yoga is looking at where to donate money it raises over Thanksgiving… The website is here: http://www.8limbsyoga.com/

  38. anotherneighbor says:

    Brooklynn – I suppose you could ask. I seem to remember a few businesses along Greenwood having jars, don’t recall which ones.

    Phinneybusiness – I think I’ll do just that – sit on my porch late tonight. I don’t smoke anymore, but I can make a nice cup of tea!

  39. gbrown says:

    Just got back from a walk around the neighborhood. Man we’ve got some creepy folks walking around after midnight…And TONS of garbage and cardboard just lying around. C’mon people, this is what he uses to start the fires!

  40. R says:

    “Brooklynn206″ asked “Does anyone know where, besides the bank, we can… donate money… over Thanksgiving?”

    I am not the expert, but I agree that it may be time for a new blog subject providing an update to (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/10/30/fire-relief-fundraising-reminder/) and (http://www.phinneywood.com/2009/10/23/relief-fund-set-up-for-destroyed-businesses/), which merely state that there is a
    Greenwood Fire Relief Fund at Chase Bank (8500 _ Greenwood Ave N).

    Do people have a preference regarding a method/place of donation (beyond the Chase option) ?

  41. Tahomajim says:

    I can’t remember the last time I walked
    Greenwood after midnight. It’s probably been three decades… please detail what creepy folks you saw. Were they groups of creeps? Where did you see the creeps? What were they doing? Etc.

  42. gbrown says:

    @Tah. Not groups, and nothing outwardly threatening either. Just grungy-looking guys with scraggly hair talking to themselves, carrying small bags of things. Probably druggies. One was near Gorditos, another was high-tailing it Greenwood. And what the hell is with the Crosswalk? Why is this in our neighborhood?Groups of drunk people hanging around outside…

  43. Ghoul says:

    they are outside because they cant smoke inside…

  44. Howdy Doodle says:

    There street people that camp behind the old vacant MacDonald’s building on Greenwood Avenue.

  45. AF says:

    @Allison: I agree with your “tone” comment. There was a touch (though just a touch) of this at the meeting the other night. Though, given the huge turnout, it would have been surprising not to have had some sour comments. Perhaps the same thing is going on here. A lot of people are really tense right now, too; I’m sure that doesn’t help.

    @R: The Phinneywood Forum might be a good place to start such a thread–that way it can be updated and not get lost behind new articles on the main page.

    @gbrown & Tah: “bizzy” posted a thread on the forum about a suspicious character (a teen). I play guitar at the dance studio on 80th in the evening and we see odd characters pass from time to time. Recently one of our dancers though she was being followed. I don’t have her description of the guy handy at the moment, but if I can get one, I’ll post it in the forum. For the moment the dancers are traveling in pairs, but if people are making our neighbors feel threatened, it can’t hurt to let each other know about it. If we can get across to predators that Greenwood is not a good place to be shady, perhaps some of these folks will move on.